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2015.09.21 | 對數表册

[Volume 10 Issue 9, #2058]
The Little Log Table Booklet
The Little Log Table Booklet
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各位叔伯兄弟, 姨媽姑姐们.. 大家仲記唔記得呢啲印滿細細隻數目字嘅表呀?? 想當年要拎把尺一行一行對準, 金睛火眼先睇得清楚嘅一堆數字.. 其實我想講, 時隔多年, 我好似都冇乜記得點樣去用呢啲數目表喇嘛, 哈哈!! :p
all aunties and uncles, brothers and sisters.. do you still remember these tables of very finely printed numbers, of which we needed to use a ruler to place on the correct line and then squint our eyes to read the figures?? and i have to admit here that, perhaps it was so many years ago that i do not think i remember how it works now, haha!! :p
The Little Log Table Booklet
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就係講緊呢啲對數表册子囉, 想當年返學係隨身帶備哚.. 我記得要搵個對應嘅數值出嚟係頗多功夫嘅, 但係又慣駛慣用, 連計算機都唔需要.. 話時話, 家陣嘅學生仲有冇用呢啲對數表册子, 定係全部升級用計算機喇?? 我咁樣問係因為, 大家知啦, 與時并進嘛.. :)
we are talking about these little log table booklets (or better known as buku sifir??) that we used to bring along with us to school.. i remember it was tedious but we were so used to it that we didn't even need a calculator!! BTW, i wonder if students now are still using these booklets, or are already allowed to use scientific calculators in school?? i ask because, you know, time has changed right?? :)
The Little Log Table Booklet
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咁呢, 我就無意中喺屋企度搵到兩本咁嘅册子, 紅色本印象深刻, 藍色本就唔係好記得.. 不過藍色本呢, 上面竟然印咗所謂嘅「此册歸考試局所有, 離開時請留低桌而面上」.. 吓?? 乜我咁大膽「噠」咗佢走?? 再翻一翻內頁, 見到1989年喎, 我當時都仲係小學噃.. 嗯, 咁就實係我阿哥或家姐做㗎啦, 唔係我哦!! 哈哈.. :D
and i actually found two copies of these booklets at home, which i remember the red one well but not the blue.. anyway, it is stated on the cover of the blue booklet that, "this copy belongs to the examination board, leave it on the table when exit".. ooopss!! did i just "smuggled" it out of the exam hall?? i flipped inside and saw the year 1989, hmmm, i was still in primary school then.. must be either my brother or sister who did it, not me!! hahaha.. :D
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  1. oh...no you reminded me of schooling days! Yes, I had it and it was wrinkled due to to much usage! I wonder do they have a app or e-version of it now?

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    1. Yes, I also remember the examination board will provide a copy to us during those SRP (my time) and SPM examinations. I usually scribbled on it since it's going t be returned anyway and use it like rough paper to do some calculations.

      It's great that you still keep a copy of it after so long. I guess my copy already been recycled decades ago! muahahahahha...

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    2. Congrats to you for getting FC today!

      Tsk! Tsk! Boss your staff Chris Au is blog hopping here and not working at 9.30am! Issue him a red card dei. Potong gaji! Niak! Niak! Wakakaka

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    3. TM - muahahahahaha... don't be jealous ok? You are the top in FC...give us a chance la.

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    4. i think this was for SPM lah, SRP still not that advanced that we need to use the log table books.. no need to have e-version, because calculators have that.. e-version is even more difficult to find the numbers than hardcopy, don't you agree??

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    5. hahaha now you revealing you age ah Chris... SRP. My time too but I cannot recall liao about the blue color book. After exam all the experience already deleted from my memory bank.Now that you mention it...ya lor....macam pernah hear cikgu say we can conteng on that book coz to save time. But am not sure whether for SRP or SPM la.

      Eh.... SPM meh? But I thought SPM we already using scientific calculator? or was it we need to find the number to input into the calculator?

      SRP la.....no SRP meh? that one we have to learn about Pi ma....3.14xxxxxx duno wat jor....

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  2. Then, I even saw those original copies which is the english version from my previous generation like auntie reana claire. It's exactly the same , just that it is in english. So, the buku sifar is actually a translated version of the english copies. I guess my juniors of a generation should be using the english version since they studied Maths in English.

    I remember the english copy is green in colour unlike the translated copy which is red.

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    1. oh really?? you have seen the English version of that?? i can't remember if we used English or Malay version actually, because the attention is actually on the numbers only, haha~~

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    2. My time is malay version.. You are younger than me, so yours should be malay version too la, SK

      eee...so bad la you call Claire Auntie. UI thought you and Claire is from the same generation leh...not cousin or something meh?

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  3. Goodness! I could not even remember this booklet of tiny numbers! It took me some minutes to warm up my rusty brains to recall this booklet. Yeah, the kids today have been allowed to use scientific calculators since many moons ago.
    The world has changed to suit the lazy brains and those who seek the easy way out.

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    1. Probably there are apps nowadays for high school kids or college kids, no need to but that scientic calculator. If I am not wrong, our smart phones can switch between the scientific and normal mode, on certain models.

      However, for secondary school kids, its better to do the manual way. Afterall, some schools don't allowed them to bring phones.

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    2. Over here, it is definitely no handphones or smartphones being allowed into the examination halls. I believe someday they will allow the kids to bring in the phones like how calculators are being allowed now. During my time, I never believed that calculators would be allowed today and that's bad lah to spoil them.
      So now I won;t be surprised that someday smartphones would be allowed. In future, the schools might allow kids to take lessons through skype from their own homes. Save money and time!

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    3. it must have been so many decades ago since Anay stopped using this booklet dei.. and i actually wonders who the hell of us here actually need this booklet.. or put the booklet aside, how many of us here actually still need the numbers of sin x, cos x, log x etc?? i guess most of us just straight away need + - x / results only right?? haha..

      and yes, i am curious is students now need this booklet, or they are actually allowed to use scientific calculators already..

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    4. LOL, ...ask your niece and nephews la, SK. Now kids punya school sylabus so darn advance liao. STd1 kids already doing some of our std 3 or 4 Maths works. Maybe by Std 6, the kids if any, will be using this booklet if they are still using la.

      I think no need apps la. Now so advance liao. Just a press of a button then all will come out liao.

      Mostly likely they are allowed to bring calculator when they are in Form 1 liao. But not phone kot.



      Anay, no need say "future" kids allowed take lesson from home through Skype. Even now the government already pave way for it jor.

      Last month J came home with login Id and Password. Say cikgu give punya. Ask to login and do a homework assignment there liao. I think withing 5 yrs, maybe all homeworks and assignment will be through online. At least now the kids cant bluff say dog ate my homework. And teachers no need to read untidy writing liao.

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  4. Yes, that blue book was most definitely smuggled out of the exam room!

    Seeing this book reminds me of those grueling sessions of memorizing the tables... 一八八 二八十六 三八二十四 四八三十二...

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    1. That's the time table, not the same as this one lah!

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    2. errr, your 一八八 二八十六 三八二十四 四八三十二 is primary school lah.. these sin x, cos x, tan x, log x, x! thingy are high school woh..

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    3. Tsk.. see lah, I remember the book but not the contents anymore. What a good student I am... >.<

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    4. wakakakaka....... exam later answer question out of topic. :p. Well at least you still remember got such thingy la. not like me langsung lupa....out of the window

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  5. hhaha....initially we were thought on how to use this guide. I guess we learnt it during form 1 or form 2...can't really remember I knew it was used during the Form 3 SRP exams (now is PMR right?)

    I remember we used it to check out the values of tangent, sin an etc ... Actually, not so difficult to use but troublesome only la. Oh..now I remember when I was in the college, the scientific calculator replaced this buku sifar. That's more convenient! We just need to key in the numbers and got the results, plus the calculator makes us looks so professional...muhahahhaha... I bought it for RM40+ if didn't remember wrongly. The brand is canon. I still keep it with me but its full of dust now, especially the plastic cover!

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    1. you sotong lah.. this booklet cannot be for SRP or PMR, it is for Form 4 above for SPM (dunno if STPM still need this??) lah.. yeah, finding the numbers are actually not difficult but troublesome, and one has to be very careful not to see the wrong line or column..

      scientific calculator is way more convenient and accurate huh??

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    2. Now no more PMR lor...Now is PT3 or something like that. Me also confused liao .

      last time when started change from the booklet to scientific calculator really tak biasa. Kena friend teach many times baru know what button to press. Lazy to read manual punya pasal hahaha

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  6. Woi, aduhai, alamak, whatever.. I wana faint la, all these given back to teachers already.. Of course I remember these log books !! And I have the red one! I think now still got, at my parents place.. I guess everyone will have that red one.. Standard one ma, everyone must buy from bookshop lastime.. Wajib to have it during exams.. This was used in Form1-3 I think.. Until Form5 pun ada guna.. But when we reached college, wah, best, can use scientific calculator jor la..

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    1. I get 2 in Maths in SPM ga, so leh, my Maths, ahem, not bad.. That’s for General Maths la.. For Add Maths, errr, don’t say la, harder, hehe.. Forgotten what I got already.. But wei, I really pui-fook you, you dig dig dig, can dig back your log books, haha..

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    2. Wat else inside your closet? Dig and show us la.. Autographs maybe? Neh, very hing one.. During standard 6, everyone will have autograpghs, konon wana let you write something la, as remembrance after go secondary school.. Usually ends with a poem. Say must keep in touch la, etc.. But once finished school, enter college, got bf/gf, no keep in touch liao lor, wakakakaka.. Ok, I know not all are like that.. Mostly we still keep in touch with secondary school friends.. Maybe can share the poems in those autographs also.. I have 1 “ging dim” one:
      Birds fly high
      Hard to catch
      Friend like you
      Hard to get

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    3. I have thrown away many stuffs from school.. Only keep the certs.. All books sold or given away already.. But you geng leh, still keeping the log books, wakakakaka.. I think I’m still keeping my scientific calculator though.. Not cheap.. Coz behind the cover ahh, I put my hubby (then bf) picture one.. Lastime mum don’t let paktor, so I curi-curi put his photo behind there lor, for sure noone search that place.. Thinking back, I must search for the scientific calculator tonight, hehehehe..

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    4. wah... so early age already paktor!

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    5. I can imagine SK's bedroom and store room must be filled with his old stuffs from the floor to ceiling! I have nothing left from school days except few certs only. I have mentioned that I didn't enjoy the school days so much for many reasons. Now that I am grown up and still get teased by my school mates, I realised they were so jealous of me then. LOL

      On the academics side, I was hopeless and didn;t score so well like Thambee dei. So panai and even unknowingly smuggled the buku sifir out!!! Muahahahah

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    6. I think Anay very sentimental and kept a lot of his school books. After all, Anay is likely a high achiever, judging from his blog and a top student, I believe.

      It's so nostalgic.... but then, sometimes its good not to think too much of the past. Over is over ... and good to dump away all the old stuffs which occupied our closets. hahaha... maybe I stayed too long in SG... my thinking is like SG landscapes...it keep changing and the old are gone in a moment, but that don't applies to my wife hor... muahahhhhha...

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    7. The buku sifir reminds me of sin, cos and tangent.....muahahahahhaa.... The sin graph is like a wave .... can't remember the other two...hahha... I am poor in both general and add maths.

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    8. I think you have problems in addressing someone's name. How can SK be your Anay when he is way much younger and looks far younger than you?? That's funny for SK to call you Thambee.

      I agree that we should not think of the pasts too much as that will sometimes cling on to our karma which will continue to haunt us. SK's house is big and 4 storeys plus roof top, so he has too much space to store all his old books, toys, figurines and Fing Fing's friends.

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    9. I wonder whether Chris studied in Chinese school? Why your maths so poor one dei? I was poor in Add Maths and dropped it during SPM. Crazy subject! General Maths and Modern Maths were easy lah like peanuts.

      Wah! This Princess Ribbon is so young like a teenager to have scientific calculator at school. My time was 1900's and we used fingers or abacus lah!!! Muahahaha
      So cute that you hid your BF's photo inside. Both of you macam high school sweet hearts and must be enjoying an understanding and happy life ever after........

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    10. TM - me studied in those sekolah kebangsaan, not chinese school. Usually those studied in chinese schools are better with maths, I realised.

      hahaha... you will be surprise to hear that I got better results in Add Maths than general Maths... siao hor ?

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    11. hehehe.. some are given back to the teachers but i guess there are still many things that i can remember lah.. and keeping all these stuffs from schooldays actually is not meaningless, i tried to keep as many as possible leh..

      just a few boxes that i keep my books and stuffs only lah, they are put aside and why have to throw them away?? sometimes when i have nothing to do, i'll open up those boxes and gazing through those books and papers i used to have.. it really brings back memories dei..

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    12. my old books after Form 6 already throwaway all liao. All including this buku sifir kasi old newpaper man angkut and sell off liao.


      hahahaha...non-stop with the issue of "anay" and "Thambee" . Hmmm.....unless Chris thinking if generation pangkat wise, SK have a higher pangkat than him kot ...hence he called SK as Anay.

      I think ah...when you are old that time, SK, you take out all these book and sell to the museum, you be be a rich old man dei..then all the 18 yrs old sweet young things will come to you like bees attracted to honey liao

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  7. I have also thrown away most of my assessment books including this buku sifar. Well, after my time, the next generations are using another syllabus, which means I cannot sell it for a profit. It's actually a waste to throw away so many of my assessment books but then, if I leave it in my cabinets, they just occupied spaces and sooner or later, accumulate dusts and mites. And, it cannot be pass down to the next gen, as they have a different syllabus.

    I remember this buku sifar is not expensive, probably around RM2. Everyone must own one and usually, we put it in the bag and never remove it as it's like a necessity, similar to writing materials and stationery.

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    1. i still keep many textbooks, exercise books and even exam papers!!! surely the syllabus will be totally different, but it would be good to still keep some so that they can be expensive antiques in years to come, hahahaha.. day dreaming!! but at the moment, i do sometimes dig them out, and they can also be good topics for blog posts when i have nothing to write~~ :D

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  8. I have actually forgotten about these logs books! So ancient and so antique! I think nowadays no more using these books, right? I believe students now use the scientific calculator to get the figures.

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    1. yeah, during my time in high school, we were already allowed to use specific model of scientific calculators in school.. everyone was using the same one i remember, haha..

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  9. I had this buku sifir too. I had the red one. I never see the blue one before. I remember this buku sifir is very important to me when I did my mathematics paper. It is just like a dictionary. But we could take the dictionary to exam hall, we could take buku sifir with us on mathematics exams.

    I have never seen my buku sifir again after my SPM. I think it has gone with the wind or I have passed it down to my junior in my school.

    I don't know about the syllabus now, whether the students still need to refer to this buku sifir when they are doing their mathematics papers. I have clue too.

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    1. Yes, it's like a dictionary but sometimes it can be a hindrance too especially when you are running out of time during exams. Flipping the chart to look for the value can be time wasting, I remember I skip a question or two which requires it and come back later to resolve it during SPM.

      It's like doing open book exams. Most of the time, we rather not to refer to the open book for answers if can help it as it really took a lot of our precious time away from the exam. Its better to study before hand.

      Of course, we cannot study the buku sifir la..hahaha..

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    2. you are right.. i only remember the red one which i guess i had been using that almost everyday for homework and exams.. not really able to recall the blue ones.. and yeah, to find the values from the book is actually not difficult, the problem is that it's quite troublesome and requires us to be very careful and detailed..

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  10. Malaysia using melayu to teach subjects?

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    1. we learned three languages, and some of the subjects were even thought in three languages, combined, during my days..

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  11. I don't remember myself using such log table booklets during my schooling days... i don't even know how it works..
    wait,.. is it the same with multiplication table? my friends used to cheat with our math exams by peaking at those multiplication table during our exams...

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    1. Who didn't cheat in exams!!?? LOL
      I was once caught during trial exams for showing my biology answers to my friend at my side. The teacher caught both of us and I protested till the cows came home. In the end the biology teacher marked the answers and found both answers so completely different. My friend still failed naturally while I passed with higher passing marks. The teacher who caught us was unhappy as she did see us talking and looked like copying. This what we call illusions and cannot judge what we see with our eyes. The truths was I did show my answer sheet to my friend to help him a bit but he could not see my written answers, so he simply scribbled and hardly copied. It was like a bank robbery being staged but no money was lost in the bank and the police caught the robbers with no cash, loots or evidence!!! Why am I bragging here?

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    2. I don't cheat in exams...muahahahaahaa... once caught, will kena enough enough!! Anyway, I remember we were also given a fornula book for additional maths in SPM, besides this buku sifir.

      Not bad, now I recalled a lot of my schooling days. What else.... dating? puppy love ?

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    3. LOL.. i did! I guess several times when I was in highschool LOL

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    4. it is not the same as the multiplication table, that we were taught to actually memorize since primary school.. these log table books contains values to sin x, cos x, tan x, log x, x! etc etc.. normal person won't be able to remember all the figures, and hence this look-up booklet..

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    5. Oh i see.. so this is more useful in Trigonometry and other related Math subjects right.... Now I remember.. my old trigonometry book has this table at the last pages

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    6. LOL...anay, your friend ho la to pass...copy also copied wrongly. Kira lucky also la he copied wrongly.

      shhh shhh....i think i got cheat too during exam. The one behind me copied my english answers. Aiya....last time exam very easy punya....just color the correct answer...the a b c d e....but if one column color wrong...habis whole paper failed

      errrr...some abnormal people can remember all those sin x, cos x, tan x and etc leh. If google in Youtube sure can find some kid genius doing that. Guess am just an average person la. Some more no interest in Maths how la to remember all those numbers. own IC numbers also susah wanna recall

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  12. Your house must be very big! These booklets from such a long time ago are still kept so nicely in your house. Why suddenly you dig them out? I have totally forgotten how to use them. I think nowadays scientific calculators are allowed and these booklets are no longer used. Anyone can confirm this?

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    1. Hey! Spot on! I just left comments above that his house is very big! Once a slumdog Thambee in Chennai and now lives in a Banana Palace in Kuala Lumpur. We have been asking him to have open house for bloggers to view all his big collection of Doraemons, Minions and Figurines but he flatly brushed aside our demands! So sombong this Thambee! Phiak his karipap head!

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    2. hahaha, not big but i guess there are still spaces for a few boxes at one corner.. yeah, i think most probably the students are using calculators already, because in my days, we were already using calculators (but limited to certain models only) in high school..

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  13. I also cannot remember having this booklet

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    1. maybe only for the science stream students..

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  14. Last time I was good in Add Maths (Ahem!) and Statistics, but now all throw back and return to the teacher liao

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    1. now you are good in Commission Maths~~ :D

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  15. Just a few days, a friend showed his book in FB.
    Now, you pulak! Hahaha

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    1. oooh, what a coincidence, hahahaha~~

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    2. we must be having the same friends coz saw the same buku sifir in FB also.

      Also have books about STD1 old text books

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  16. Cannot remember what I study at school.
    All hazy now.
    Old dy.
    Bwahaha

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    1. What a humble excuse to say forgotten!
      Mak Glam must be a running calculator who sits on high chairs
      in the office now managing the finance!!

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    2. because you did not study at school!! so how can you remember what you studied?? muahahahaha~~

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    3. wakakaka ...naughty SK ....eh....later Mak Glam korek out her treasures from the mooncakes boxes, then you baru tau. Maybe will have Math Genius Cert leh. Don;t play play oh

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  17. 什么来的? 有这个东西meh? #脑袋一片空白 LOL

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    1. 可能是理科班的才會用到吧??

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  18. How come I don't remember using this?

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    1. maybe only the science stream students were using these??

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  19. wahhh.. so daring to smuggle out of the hall ah? so it is not you la.. haha.. sure boh? All my old exam papers are gone with the wind already... should have kept some of them but I think worms would have a good meal by now... so many umpteen years already...

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    1. not daring la...maybe ter-opss leh.....hahaha...like the exam questions paper also ter-opps bring home...I also got ter-oppss bring home exam paper leh. aiyak should have keep the exam paper. Now maybe turn to the musuem as collectors item leh

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  20. the book looks familiar. but i am never a student when i was young. always running around, playing, fighting, hiding behind the class. LOL.

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  21. I remember I used the log book before. Those days we couldn't use the calculator.

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  22. I remember this one, it was so long time ago, I wonder are they still using this or all have already convert to calculator. I have the red color one I guess is from my sisters or maybe my brother. But now I don't know where it goes already, I guess have already pass to one of my junior, since I won't use it afterwards.

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  23. Good morning SK



    Alamak...I haven't read the rest of the post yet but I don;t think i will like this post.. I see that little red book I already have phobia jor....adui......hated Maths


    I definitely cannot remember how it works. My time was the little red book. never saw the blue ones. The blue one is for Adds MAths?

    Yes time had change. Think Form 4 we are asked to bring scientific calculator jor. All buy Casio brang . Cikgu yang suruh coz easy to teach if everyone have the same type. Cikgu also got help to buy in bulk.

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  24. wakakakaka on #3. Mati mati i thought it was for Add Maths. Rupa Rupa it was for exam. Hmmm.....during our SRP SPM or whatever exam use the blue ones meh? I cannot recall la. I think my brain is after exam...just deleted everything. Can't remember anything about all the government exam liao. Only recall the part where we left our school bag oyut side the hall. the rest is like a white blank paper.

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  25. #1. Yes, I remember using ruler to garis and find the numbers. Adui....so tiny that time. Hard to find. and so many number behind there. Haiz...i think i gave up on that. I dunno how the heck did I pass my maths exam. During school exam i always get red marks leh. Lucky during government exam get enough marks to pass leh. Hated Maths since Form 1. Got a teacher who doesnt really teach well...just go on and on and on but tarak kisah whether we know or duno math. I got him as Maths teacher for form 1 and form 2. Bad luck. After that lost interest liao on Maths.

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    I have this log book or better known as buku sifir too during my school time. Can use very long leh. Forever inside my school bag coz lazy to take out. Hence school bag so heavy. If take out later lupa bring to school will kena tembak by teacher pulak. Also have to cepat cepat borrow from friends from the next class. hahaha

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  27. 紅色嗰本我仲有,不過點樣用我就唔記得咗囉

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  28. Awwww, thanks SK for this post!
    The buku sifir bring so much memories to me! I have totally forgot about it until I read this post of yours.

    I don't remember keeping this buku sifir, I think I probably given it away to my cousin back then. I got mine from my brother, then pass to my cousin, then don't know if my cousin got pass to anyone or not, or give it to the recycle center, haha! Even if I ask her now, I don't think she remembers also.

    Mine is orange color, a bit koyak, but served me well. Don't underestimate it's power, inside got so much values! Forgot to bring to exam and see how you'll suffer! xD

    Ya, I also wonder if the students these days still using it? Or all become computerized already? Any teacher can enlighten us?

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